Thursday, 25 March 2010
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Vaccine Court Jesters?
Wow…here we are again. Another “vaccine” court says that thimerosal doesn’t “cause” autism. Has nothing to do with autism. And vaccines are safe. Hmmm….
Let’s think about this for a minute.
In 1999, thimerosal was taken OUT of all childhood vaccines (except for the flu shot). Safe, huh? Thimerosal is a known neurotoxin (mercury). But, it isn’t the ONLY neurotoxin in our kids’ vaccines. You might want to take a gander at the ingredients the next time you are in to see your neighborhood pediatrician. And the mere fact that they inject our kids with HiB vaccine when they are first born? I wasn’t properly informed in the delivery room as to what and why they were vaccinating my boys. It was standard protocol.
If I am to be honest with you, I think our son with autism exhibited symptoms of it very early. We would take him out as a newborn & instead of being curious about the world, he would shut his eyes and “play possum”. He was completely overwhelmed by the sounds and would shut down. We were new parents and thought he was tired. However, after his major vaccines, he would stutter, loose some vocabulary, and become very clumsy. He ran a fever and had yeast infections.
In my opinion (and I am no doctor), I think our son had autism at birth. Very mild case. Do I think something in his environment made it worse? Vaccines, food, water, something? Yes, I do. I have NEVER once heard big pharma, CDC, NIH, no one say: “hmm…maybe these children with autism…maybe their immune systems were compromised by the vaccines. Maybe there is an environmental trigger and since their immune systems were compromised, is it possible that their autism was more severe?”
I believe that our children need to be vaccinated against major diseases. They have turned back the clock on polio and the like. Great job!
But there HAS to be a way to make them safer and preservative free. If big pharma wants autism parents off of their backs, make single dose vaccines. Work with our pediatricians on a less stringent schedule of vaccination (CDC & NIH, take note here). And take the preservatives out of our vaccines. Pediatricians, pharma, parents…we can all work together and make this next generation of children healthier and who knows? Using common sense might lessen the numbers of children with autism.
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A vaccine post with which I agree. I believe strongly in vaccination but medical professionals do have a duty to properly inform patients and pharmaceutical manufacturers should be made to ensure their products are as safe as possible. I accept some people will always oppose vaccination but for most of us responsible and painstaking research to demonstrate the safety of the specific vaccine is all we require.
//In 1999, thimerosal was taken OUT of all childhood vaccines (except for
the flu shot). Safe, huh?//
It was taken out not because of any actual proof of damage from thiomersal, but rather because of concerns with the POTENTIAL toxicity of methylmercury that was formed as a byproduct of metabolizing thiomersal. In other words, it was a precautionary measure. Your argument is akin to saying that by putting your seatbelts on before pulling the car out of the driveway is a GUARANTEE that you will get in a crash.
// Thimerosal is a known neurotoxin (mercury). //
Toxicity in general is not a black-and-white process; it is highly dependent upon a number of factors. Among those factors are mode of ingestion, duration of ingestion, concentration of dosage, body chemistry of the victim, etc. It was due to conservative estimates in the late 1990's that led to a precautionary measure taken against thiomersal due to their concerns with the rate of metabolism of methylmercury and its potential effects and modes of transportation between the blood/placenta barrier. Since then, it has been found to be even less harmful than anticipated. (see: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440600845619)
//You might want to take a gander at the ingredients the next time you are
in to see your neighborhood pediatrician.//
See my above comments on neurotoxicity. It's not as simple as you'd like to believe.
//I wasn’t properly informed in the delivery room as to what and why they
were vaccinating my boys.//
That's a good excuse for not taking personal responsibility for your children's welfare. "I wasn't properly informed"... then INFORM YOURSELF.
//However, after his major vaccines, he would stutter, loose some
vocabulary, and become very clumsy. He ran a fever and had yeast
infections.//
Please explain the relevance of his symptoms to the vaccines. What do the vaccines have to do with this?
// I have NEVER once heard big pharma, CDC, NIH, no one say: “hmm…maybe
these children with autism…maybe their immune systems were compromised
by the vaccines. Maybe there is an environmental trigger and since
their immune systems were compromised, is it possible that their autism
was more severe?”//
People have already asked these questions.
From the NIH: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17168158
From the NEJM (New England Journal of Medicine):
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/13/1281
From the AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics):
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/114/3/577
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/114/3/584
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/112/3/604
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/e139
From the JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association):
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/290/13/1763
From the AGP (Archives of General Psychiatry, a subset of JAMA if I recall correctly): http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/19
From the AJPM (American Journal of Preventative Medicine):
http://www.ajpm-online.net/article/S0749-3797%2803%2900113-2/abstract
People have done numerous studies; you're either ignorant of their existence, which is understandable, or unwilling to accept their conclusions, which is not understandable.
//Using common sense might lessen the numbers of children with autism.//
Using common sense might lessen the numbers of idiot parents.
HepB is given at birth.
It sounds like you're relying on ahem certain sites for your information, sites that are not known for their accuracy.
Preservative free? Sigh. Do you make sure, then, that all your foods are preservative free, as well?
It looks like you're flying by the seat of your gut rather than on a calm, considered reflection of scientific evidence and accurate information regarding vaccines and how our immune systems work, let alone what scientists know about autism. Perhaps if people were more willing to sit aside their beliefs and suppositions and entertain verifiable information, we'd be further along.
From the CDC's Own Website: YES, it is Given At Birth, see item 3.
By the Way if the mother does not have hep B the baby is not at risk unless they (The Newborn Infant) are using IV drugs, having unprotected sex with multiple partners. I don't think newborns engage in such risky behavior and the mother should be tested by her OBGYN before giving birth.
Here is a link to one of "Those Sites" as it has been put http://www.thinktwice.com/hepB_sho.htm It is still a great overview of Hep B and why we should not be so quick to take the CDC recommendations as Absolutely the Best Medicine. you can and should do some cross checking which I highly recommend and then make an informed decision.
Then ask yourself WHY the past head of powerful agency such as the CDC gets a high level job with a pharmaceutical company.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BK2K520091221
Have you ever thought that by flogging a dead horse you are wasting energy (and possibly funds) rather than directing at the still-unknown cause(s) of autism? Or perhaps urban mythology holds more sway with you than scientific facts, which you obviously see as some giant sort of conspiracy.
Sorry if this sounds a bit rude, but distracting attention and funds away from real research is doing no one any good, and possibly a great deal of people harm.
@SavonDuJour@xanga - I don't think anyone (at least not in this post) is trying to say "fund more research that could be used for autism treatments instead". But how about making our vaccines safer, in single doses so reactions can be pinpointed to a single virus? And by the way, I'm not saying that our vaccines are necessary "causing" autism or not. I do know that my child regressed after being administered 7 vaccines on one day. I also know a child who had a seizure the day he received a vaccine (not the MMR - I need to think about which one it was.... it was given at around 10 months). He was perfectly normal, and now he has some serious mental issues (and no, not related to autism). Clearly our vaccines are not 100% safe. I would like them to be much safer.
As for preservative-free, I don't know about the author, but we do the best we can with the resources we have available. All of our bread is preservative free, as well as our fruits and vegetables (which we buy locally). I'm not 100% sure of the meat and we don't eat dairy. Again, I can't speak for the author, but I'm a huge fan of making everything we ingest preservative-free. Why would vaccines be any different?
@P1AutismMom - Thanks - I never understood the HepB vaccine being given at birth. There's a reason that I refused it at birth and opted to have my child room-in with me. I've heard too many stories of medical professionals not even gaining consent before performing procedures, like vaccination and circumcision (just to name a few).
@P1AutismMom - @Morningstarrising@xanga - Hepatitis B can be vertically transmitted from the mother to the child during childbirth. That is why the children are vaccinated. If the mother tests positive for HBsAg (Hep B surface antigen), she has a 1 in 5 chance of transmitting the disease to her child; if she also tests positive for the HBeAg (Hep B e-antigen), she has a 90% chance of transmitting the disease.
@P1AutismMom - //Then ask yourself WHY the past head of
powerful agency such as the CDC gets a high level job with a
pharmaceutical company. //
Oh, I don't know... solid business networking? Why is this such a big deal? Is having business contacts a bad thing?
Your link to the flash video was very interesting to see. I noticed that while they claimed medical studies supported cases of links between the vaccine and various disorders, they did not place the names of the actual studies, just the volumes they were in. In other words, if they tried to pull off something like that in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, they would've had their draft returned for want of references. I'd like to see the actual reports (or at least the names of the reports) in the cited volumes that allegedly support their claims.
As for the adverse reactions to the virus, it's a small price to pay given that over a third of the world's population (that's right, 2 billion) have been infected with Hepatitis B, with over 600,000 deaths per year from those who are unvaccinated and exposed to the virus (see: WHO: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs204/en/index.html). Honestly - think about it - 781 reported deaths in a THIRTEEN-year period from the vaccine compared to over half a MILLION annually - where would YOU place your bets?
Again, I'd like to know where exactly they got the numbers from the VAERS 2005 database, not so much because I doubt their claim as much as I'm just having trouble navigating the VAERS site.
The flash presentation also commits the same error you did regarding the motivation behind vaccinating infants; it's due to the vertical transmission from mother to child that poses a risk to the baby. As expected, no source was given other than the claim that the vaccine "manufacturer" made some vague statement.
Then it makes the bare-faced lie that it's not "For or against" vaccines; neutral? Suuuuuure.
@Morningstarrising@xanga - Not much point in me replying to your comment since exactly what I said the first time applies now as well. So this isn't so much a reply as an acknowledgement, *sigh*. Have a good weekend.
@QuantumStorm@xanga - So how about we test the mother then? Instead of just vaccinating the newborn?
@Morningstarrising@xanga - It has gotten out of hand for sure.
The doctor I had with my boys told me about the Hep B not being necessary for babies when the mother is not a carrier of the illness. He was responsible and went the extra mile to explain things rather than just looking at a CDC form and acting accordingly. It is a shame that for the risky behaviors of a few, the youngest and most vulnerable children are put at risk. We are talking about the most rapid neurological development in a persons lifetime and we continue to ad to the already bloated schedule of vaccine every year.
This is an uphill battle towards awareness as we do not have special interests funding our cause nor do we have a stock ticker symbol demanding the attention of powerful government agencies but but we do have motivation, our children.
@QuantumStorm@xanga -
Your bias is just as strong and transparent as you report others to be so there is never any point in arguing with you. I do however appreciate your last quote responding to my asking the question about the former head of the CDC landing a lucrative position as president of Merck
& Co's Vaccine Division.
You said the following:
//Oh,
I don't know... solid business
networking? Why is this such a big deal? Is having business contacts a
bad thing?//
YES QuantumStorm, it is all about business isn't it?.
@P1AutismMom - //Your bias is just as strong and transparent
as you report others to be so there is never any point in arguing with
you.//
Translation: "I can't answer the actual merits/demerits of his argument so I'll just resort to ad hominem. "
You still didn't answer my question - is having business contacts a bad thing?
@Morningstarrising@xanga - As I mentioned earlier, there are a number of tests that detect the presence of specific antigens in your bloodstream. The reason we vaccinate the newborn is a simple risk-benefit analysis; the risks of dying from the vaccine are far, far lower than the risks of dying from the full-blown disease itself, let alone surviving with irreparable organ damage that can significantly affect child development.
I like to think of this analogy: vaccines are like bridges that cross crocodile-infested water. Every now and then a bridge may collapse, but it's better to hedge your bets on crossing the bridge safely than it is to wade through the crocodile-infested waters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BK2K520091221
Thank you Dr. Julie Gerberding for providing future Law Professors with a clear example of the term CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Definition
1. Situation that has the potential to
undermine the impartiality of a person because of the possibility of a
clash between the person's
self-interest and professional-interest or public-interest.
@P1AutismMom - Please demonstrate how her actions are a conflict of interest. This is not a case where the CURRENT head of the CDC joins the company.
You also have failed to demonstrate how any of this has to do with the efficacy of vaccines. It's like you're grasping at straws.
And my other question still stands - is having business contacts a bad thing?
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