Wednesday, 24 March 2010

  • Law enforcement and Aspies

    So here’s a subject I had never really thought about in great detail. I was on twitter and came across an issue tweeted by Sharon daVanport (blog-talk radio, twitterfacebook) a director of the Autism Women’s Network (AWN). Someone in the forum had been harassed by the police for no reason. Their story goes that they had been eating in Subway and when this person went out to their car two police officers called the person by name and surrounded the writer. The person had no idea who they were even though they evidently knew the poster. They refused to let the poster leave until the poster answered how she was.  They then followed her in their cruiser for several blocks. The poster was scared, confused and frightened. She asked for help. What should she have done? Did she do anything to warrant the police officers harassment? I feel frustrated because I had no way to help this person. I have no idea what if any advice really exists to give her. The police obviously were harassing this young person. They obviously thought it was funny knowingly upsetting her. Then why did they do it? Well, I think we all know the reason for that; some policemen are not peace officers but bullies with a badge. But the reality is, how often will our children face a situation like this and how do we teach them to handle it?  

    I know that I live in a very small town and that the police chief knows my husband from the Community Emergency Response Team. Hubby is the chairperson of the all volunteer group and was just responsible for setting up the shelter in our town during the snowicane.  I know that there are only 20 police officers in our town all together and that they tend to be respectful and good people. I have seen them in town when the middle school gets out, directing traffic around the miscreant adolescents, usually yelling at the kids to get out of the way of the cars, but for the most part, not interfering in youthful fun.  I have dealt with them myself when I was a lecturer for the Juvenile Law Center, when I lectured middle schoolers about their rights and obligations under law in society.  They all seemed nice and genuine about their desire to help the kids. Only once did I detect a swagger, where the officer barreled his way into class, with a pistol on his hip and two deputies at his side.  Truthfully the kids ate it up.

    Personally, I have never had to deal with an abusive, aggressive or rude police officer in my life. Well, once in Boston as a college student when hubby made a wrong turn in the car. We were lost and very confused. But I think the Yankees had just clobbered the Red Socks once again and the Bostonians take their baseball just a little too seriously for my taste. But for the most part whenever I have shown respect to a police officer no matter where I was, the respect was returned. Funny though, how such incidents stay with you. This happened decades ago and I can still see that police officer's face, see his march from the car and I feel the surprise at his hostility. I was taken aback and truthfully a little scared at that moment. So I totally sympathize with the poster on AWN.

    However,  I have to say, in the back of my mind I always think about the boys in relationship to police officers or some form of authority figure. I know they do not look people in the eye and they do not always answer right away. Those trained to catch liars are not trained to understand autism. I am afraid that the boys’ hesitancy and their indirectness may be misconstrued. I know it has to be an issue because the author Jodi Picoult just wrote a book with an aspie protagonist who gets in trouble with the police for those reasons.(No I have not read the book, but if I do I will let everyone know what I think).

    I try to teach them to be respectful of police officers. I try to teach them to make eye contact and answer when spoke to. I teach them that police officers are their friends and there to help you. I teach them that behavior is everything and that people judge you by what you do and say. I teach them that as they grow into young men, meltdowns in public will bring the police and that people will not look kindly upon any societal infraction. I teach them that they cannot yell at strangers. I teach them that they should not grouse under their breath or act strange in any way. (It is hard to tell them how to behave and to make sure that they listen and practice. So much they still cannot control when they get overwhelmed. They are both terribly rude when they are at their most anxious and I would think if they are stopped by the police their anxiety would go through the roof. Rudeness is not going to be understood by a police officer, and especially not appreciated.)

    I teach them to obey the law. I teach them that just because they have aspergers does not mean they will not be punished if they break the law. I make sure on their medical alert necklace has their diagnosis of aspergers on it and that there are emergency numbers with a list of medications as well. It is for medical purposes but it is also an instrument of security, that if they ever do get stopped they can show it to the police officer who just might read what it says.

    I know that there are programs out there that train police officers to become aware of autism and how to deal with it. I know that there are programs where you can register your child and their disability with the police. But in a big city how much training would the officer actually get? How much time would they have to understand what is going on? Police officers are faced with life and death decisions that at times need to be made in a split second. Are they going to endanger themselves because they are not sure if the person having a meltdown is dangerous or is that person autistic?

    I know this doesn’t answer the question of the young autistic person who was hassled by the police just because she wanted to eat lunch. I know that this post doesn’t answer any questions, it just raises them. I guess I have no answers myself, except to teach my boys how to behave and that they must always always be respectful to a police officer. I teach them that they must always obey the law and expect punishment if they don’t.

    Luckily neither one thinks law is a joke. When collegman was 5 he took something out of a store by hiding it in his coat pocket. After we walked way he showed me what he had. I marched him right back to the store and had the store manager talk to him. Now that was a nice man and he told him that what he did was stealing and that it was a crime. That if he took from a store he could go to jail. Now I think it effected both boys, because to this day, neither one will even drink a soda in the supermarket until I pay for it, even if I tell them to just hold on to the bottle and show it to the checkout person and tell them that you  drank the drink. No, no they will not drink it or eat anything from the cart, even a cookie from a bag full of cookies. Actually I let it be. It’s a good lesson. Let them be scrupulously honest. It’s ok. We live our lives that way too. In fact, as we leave a store to this day, collegeman still asks me if I have paid for everything. (I guess politics is not in their future)

    But still I worry about the authority figure who thinks it’s funny to harass someone who is defenseless or without the ability to fight back in anyway.  What do I tell my children, if the people who are supposed to protect them turn into the bullies they’ve had to deal with all their lives? There are post incident actions, sure. You can file a complaint and bring a lawsuit. But what do you tell them to do in the middle of the incident other than to be good and try to be respectful?

    I wish I had an answer for them and I wish I had an answer for that poster in the AWN website. But I don’t and that scares and saddens me.

Comments (7)

  • sarahb_86@xanga

    Very nice post. I wish I could say that I have an answer to this, but sadly I do not. What is even sadder is that with the rising diagnosis of Autism, it should be mandatory for officers to be able to recognize the symptoms of an autistic person. Unfortunetly, many officers would rather be bullies, I had some first had experience at that this past weekend.


    My biggest pet peeve is that of a rude public servant. It is one thing to suspect a person of wrong-doing and to be cautious, but it is something completely different to be a flatout asshole just because you have a badge.

  • aspergers2mom

    @sarahb_86@xanga - thank you for the props. I have heard about a program called L.E.A.N. which teaches police oficers how to recognize and deal with persons with invisible disabilities. I hope that all advocates for the disabled go to their local departments and ask them to review the program and bring in some speakers. Considering an autistic man was just killed in Los Angeles because the officer had no idea what was oing on, I think it is an issue that is ssorely needed.  http://leanonus.org/

  • Uek@xanga

    What makes you sure that the officers in this scenario acted as they did to harass/for fun? Some autistic behaviors can appear very suspicious. "How are you doing?" is a general question police use to gauge many things and unless they physically stopped her from leaving, I don't see how either party was in the wrong. Even the part about following her isn't harassment. They were probably just ignorant to her autism and wanted to further ascertain that she wasn't a danger to the community.

  • aspergers2mom

    @Uek@xanga - when you are eating lunch, minding your own busines and the police officers whom you do not know call you by your name and then refuse to let you leave they are harrassing you. Even if you are acting strange but not harming anyone they do not have a right to stop you. In fact they do not have a right to ask you your name or ask for identification. In the United States at least for now, you are entitled to be anonymous and to be left alone.


    Furthermore the fact that they were following her is harrassment, just as not letting her go is harrassment and could even be considered illegal restraint. As an advocate for those with disabilties and a gradute of a well recognized law school I am very familiar with civil rights and how they are to be applied and respeced by law enforcement. The police in this story over stepped their bounds. I am sorry that you cannot see that.


    BTW are you or anyone you know autistic or are you just visiting the board for the heck of it?

  • Uek@xanga

    @aspergers2mom - when you are eating lunch, minding your own
    busines and the police officers whom you do not know call you by your
    name and then refuse to let you leave they are harrassing you. -No, unless they physically stop you from leaving, it is not. And if they don't physically stop you, well, what else is there to stop you?

    Even if you are acting strange but not harming anyone they do not have a right to stop you. -Again, if they do not physically stop you.

    In fact they do not have a right to ask you your name or ask for identification. -They do, and you have the right to refuse.

    Furthermore the fact that they were
    following her is harrassment, just as not letting her go is harrassment
    and could even be considered illegal restraint. -They illegally restrained her without actually physically restraining her, interesting ? Did they touch her? Did they block her car in and refuse to move? I mean seriously?


    The police in this story over stepped their bounds. I am sorry that you cannot see that. -In the story you describe, they did not. Maybe I'd see it differently if it were told first person, instead of an Interpretation.

    BTW are you or anyone you know autistic or are you just visiting the board for the heck of it?- Not relevant.

  • aspergers2mom

    For anyone reading the above post. Here is the legal reality: restraint is not always physcial. if you believe as any reasonable person would believe, that they are being restrained then it is an illegal restraint. Also in law, the tortfeasor  takes their victim as they find them. If the victim is an autistic person with a different perspective than a neurotypical than it the reasonable belief of an autistic person that is the catalyst for cause.The police are even held to a higher standard than an average citizen, just like an attorney because they are considered officers of the court.


    Furthermore,the police do not have the right to just walk up to you and ask for identification without cause. This is not yet a police state but the United States of America and we are governed by the Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights.


    Additionally, it is relevant whether the commentor is an autistic person or knows an autistic person, because they need to be able to identify with the issues discussed or may just be seen as a trouble maker looking for attention. This board is also about helping people find answers to the issues that concern them. if you have nothing positive to add noone really wants you here.


    Lastly, do not give legal advice without having gone to law school and having been a practicing attorney. You may cause harm to another human being and get them into alot of trouble. Besides the fact that in most cases the nuance of law as in the above post is lost.

  • keystspf@xanga

    I have been pulled over three times in my life. Once was actually the first time I'd ever ventured out on my own after getting my license (I was 20 years old.) and a police officer came speeding around a blind curve as I was making a left turn into the same lane. HE didn't have ANY lights on and it was semi-dusk. (I had my headlights on.) I did not see him until he turned his lights on to pull me over. Thankfully I only got a warning, but it scared the living crap out of me.


    The second time, I was driving from Philly to Florida (I was about 22 yrs old) and this big truck kept pulling up on my bumper, so I'd let him pass, then he'd slow down below the speed limit, so I'd pass him... finally I got fed up with the game so I sped up to about 85 mph to get far enough ahead of him to keep it from happening again. Well, I must have passed a cop because next thing I know the headlights are back... and I thought it was still the truck, so I sped up to 90 mph. Then the blue lights came on. I got a ticket. I could not get the story out though, when he asked why I was driving so fast at 4 am. I was in North Carolina and hoping to get through to South Carolina before it got crazy... Driving I-95 through Georgia is not fun during rush hour.


    The third time was totally stupid. I was in the middle of making a right turn (I mean literally in the middle of the turn) when this school bus puts out its stop sign and honks at me to stop. I was blocking the intersection completely. The kid getting off the bus had to walk around behind my van to get to the other side... but I stopped. So, the school bush STARTS MOVING and pulling in its sign, so I started to finish the turn. All the sudden the school bus honks again... I kept going because I had no idea at all that it was honking at me... it had been moving, I was blocking the intersection and I REALLY had to pee. Next thing I know, I'm pulling into my parking space and I've got a cop behind my van, blocking me in and shouting at me not to get out of the van. Now I'm frightened. I have no idea what I did wrong and I REALLY REALLY have to pee. So this cop (a woman) comes up to me and asks if I know what I did.  I said, "No." She said that I was driving while the school bus had its sign out. I said that the bus had started moving before I started moving again. She said that the bus honked at me. I figured she meant the first time. I said, "And I stopped. The boy getting off the bus had to go behind me to get across the street. I didn't think I was in a safe place, but I stopped. When the bus started moving, I finished the turn." She took her sweet time writing me up a ticket. Meanwhile I'm sitting in the van and I REALLY REALLY REALLY had to pee now... I know I was short with her, but dang it, when you have to go you have to go... and I said something about it too... and she took even longer. It was just MEAN.

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