Thursday, 17 December 2009
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Can we trust our doctors on vaccines?
Do childhood vaccines cause autism? If you listen to a variety of critics, the answer is possibly yes; the research hasn’t been done, so we can’t say definitely yes or no. The anecdotal evidence from parents is overwhelming. But if you listen to your doctor and the CDC and vaccine makers he or she listens to, the answer is no. So, do H1N1 vaccines cause miscarriages? The anecdotal evidence is piling up. Again, the studies haven’t been done; no one really knows whether they do or not. (Actually, we are the guinea pigs for this shot.) But the doctors, CDC, and vaccine makers say pregnant women should take the vaccine.
Dr. Joseph Mercola’s research on the safety of the H1N1 vaccine has led him to “Swedish, Japanese, and Chinese health officials who have also reported a number of serious side effects, including deaths of people who received the H1N1 vaccine.” Do we hear of U.S. health officials reporting a number of serious side effects? No. The serious side effects in the U.S. aren’t being logged or taken seriously because maybe something else caused them. In fact, the cases of H1N1 flu aren’t being logged either. A number of months ago, health officials decided to stop testing for and counting H1N1 flu cases because, after all, there is a pandemic on.
Mercola calls the medical system’s approach to vaccines “Russian roulette.” It’s true. Doctors expect a certain percentage of people to react badly to any vaccine. But as the “herd immunity” is protected, it’s supposed to be worth the risk. We need to ask ourselves: is it worth the risk? After all, we are the ones carrying the risk. We parents sign waivers when our children are vaccinated. The system depends on this.
It’s not a good system. Perhaps we don’t want our kids and ourselves to be guinea pigs. Herd immunity might be important for a major disease like smallpox, but for minor diseases like measles, mumps, and rubella, and H1N1 influenza, perhaps we would prefer the risk of the disease to the risk of bad effects from the vaccine. To make these decisions, we need to be informed. And it would help if the laws were changed to make it easier for conscientious objection to vaccines, as an autism parents group is seeking to do with a ballot initiative in Oregon.
Can we trust our doctors on vaccines? No.
Organic Health Adviser on H1N1 vaccine-related miscarriages:
Joseph Mercola:
Oregon ballot initiative:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/11/autism-a-simple-plan.html
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If you trust Big Pharma/FDA/Greedy Physicians you're stupid. Bottom line. Become informed about how they all actually work against you to make sure you stay sick and in fact make you sicker. It should be common knowledge by now, but it's one of the many secrets the government doesn't want you to know about, because even their profits depend on it.
Most doctors only know what they are taught in school by others in the field. Very few have the time or motivation to study up on things for themselves. When my pediatrician pressured me to do the full vaccine schedule for my children I asked him if he was positive that these shots were not going to hurt my kids in any way. He said he would stake his life on it. So I told him that if he would give my child a full checkup to determine that they were in perfect mental and physical health then sign a contract assuming personal financial liability should my child no longer be in perfect mental and physcial health after the shots that I would follow his advice on the shots. Otherwise I would do the shots my way. He was not willing to sign the contract and we laughed about his lack of "real faith" in these vaccines he previously thought he had so much faith in. After that we did the shots my way and he no longer pressures me about it.
NO!! http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5231589n I wonder how much longer this reporter will be employed by CBS if she keeps this up. You Go Girl ~ Sharyl Attkisson
http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/dr-bernadine-healy-and-dr-mercola-break-down-the-h1n1-myths-and-realities/2546980103 http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5151684
@tsh44@xanga - That sounds like a great idea. My doctor keeps pushing us to do the full vaccine schedule and I keep telling her no (my son is six months and one week) and he's only had two shots so far....and our doctor is not happy about that.
@XxFireXboltxX@xanga - Doctors usually mean well and most of them honestly think they are doing the right thing. Thankfully our doctor is willing to work with me. Is your husband military? I've heard that they are not so willing to be flexible and that military kids get more shots than any other kids do because they don't give the parent's a lot of options. My nephews daughter had to have a boatload of shots in order to be in the daycare on the base and it was not optional. He got called in for discipline when he tried to slow down the number of shots she was getting.
@mathematicalbagpiper@xanga - A very tiny amount of hospitals do it right - the doctors receive more money by curing you, but only if there are no complications from said cure. Think Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, etc. But for the most part, you're very right.
@tsh44@xanga - That is an awesome idea! I'll have to keep that stored away for when I have kids. I don't necessarily believe vaccines cause autism, but I do have qualms about filling kids with SO MANY vaccines in such a short period when their immune systems are still forming. Good for you for making the doctor realize he doesn't know absolutely everything there is to know about it - too many doctors will refuse to admit that.
@tsh44@xanga - We are military but I just don't take my son to the doctor. If he were to get really sick I would but, no need to yet...especially just for weight checks and such. We developed our own schedule for vaccines using the Vaccine Book by Dr. Sears and the book by Dr. Stephanie Cave and we just go from there. I took Andrew to the doctor till two/three months when his doctor told me it was time to start giving him formula instead of nursing....um, okay.
We don't have him in daycare and he won't be in school on base (we plan on homeschooling) but under Texas law I can sign a waiver stating we are not doing vaccines if for some reason he had to go to daycare or public school. I am not sure if the base would accept it or not. I just try to stay off the radar for my husband's sake! I have heard of other guys getting in trouble for that stuff as well!
@whitetrashpoet@xanga - I find a lot more are willing to compormise when you ask them to put their money where their mouth is. I'm like you about thinking maybe too much is just too much. I'm not completely opposed to vaccines I think we have just gone a bit crazy in the way and speed at which we do it. It has become illogical to me and thus I refuse to play their game by their rules.
@XxFireXboltxX@xanga - In the military it's a good idea not to rock the boat for your husbands sake. We did public school with the oldest two and the two I share custody of have had both public and home education and have completely home educated all the others, it was just so much easier to home educate and I like being able to customize their curriculum to suit their interests.
@tsh44@xanga - Yeah, I was homeschooled k-12 and man...I loved it. When I got into sixth grade my mom let me help her pick out my material...it was great! :) There are so many perks to being homeschooled, that is just one of them!
@XxFireXboltxX@xanga - For military families it also makes it easier for them to travel as a family to whatever place dad may be currently assigned without having to jump in and out of schools too. I do that with my older kids too. They get to help pick their own and also work at their own pace. My boys took architecture classes last spring that they never could have gotten in a public school at their ages. Seeing how all that math they are learning could be applied to real life was a huge boost in their interest in math.
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According me we should trust only our family doctor because we know him very well.Our family doctor can give us true advice for anything.There is good description in this post.Thank you very much for this informative post.
You really are determined to prove that vaccines are evil aren't you? You really feed the paranoia and suspicion of people who don't know and don't want to be bothered looking up research published in proper scientific journals.
Dr Joseph Mercola runs a site with an (expensive) 'cure' for autism. He is the only person in the whole world who can actually cure autism! Amazing, eh? You yourself have a site that is also a commercial presentation (hidden beneath all the FREE! offers) and so either both of you know things that the entire scientific community in the rest of the free world doesn't know or else....
Back to the days of the snake oil doctors.
And for those people who come to my site and write me derogatory emails and messages for my pragmatic, pro-scientific views, cool, I hope it makes you feel better.
Never trust vaccines 100%
Today, I got my H1N1 nasal spray.. Honestly, if my parents weren't so persistent, I wouldn't have minded staying vaccine free. I trust my immune system. It hasn't let me down much really.
But they went ahead, and had me get that fluid up my nose. Nasal sprays are awkward. I was like.."So.. do I breathe it in or what?" with my nostrils flaring, trying to breathe with my mouth. The nurses kind of just looked at my nose curiously and said, "No.. no, no. Just let it sit there- well yeah, breathe normally."
Then my parents even asked to get me a seasonal flu shot. The nurse's face was like, "BONUS~"
As a current medical student, I can tell you that there is a lot of completely moronic nonsense floating around about vaccines. They have become the trendy punching bag of the anti-government / big business crowd (which I am a proud member of), and as usual for my little group, we do have a weakness of attacking almost anything that smells of government or corporate force....and on this one, sorry to say, we are way off....
I want to write several reasons as to why, but that would be hijacking the thread, so I figure this would make a good topic to start my writing again on...check it out if you want something a little more logical...
I actually have a personal note on this.
I'm American, but I was born in Paris. Now, why that is significant is that the French do not vaccinate babies until they're about 2 years old (I dont know if that protocol has changed, but that's how it was in the 1990s). As a result, neither I nor my brother were vaccinated -- for, well, anything.
When I was 5 months old, I contracted a very severe case of meningitis. Something which could've been prevented (perhaps not totally? But obviously to a great degree) had I received the immunization. Of course, things turned out fine, but only after an extended stay in the hospital.
Vaccines aren't some type of conspiracy put forth by the government to kill us all. In many ways, they're essential and they protect us from crippling diseases.
I can't believe this argument is actually happening.
This argument again? Jesus Christ.
Not every doctor is out to keep you sick. There are some very good doctors who actually want to make and keep you well, and keep you well informed of everything they're doing or would like to do. My son's pediatrician is one of the BEST doctors I've ever come across in my entire life. He gives us all the literature about ALL of his shots, goes over the side effects from most to least common before ever touching him with a needle.
Honestly, I think I would rather my son develop autism from a vaccination than have him die from a disease which could've easily been prevented with a simple shot. An autistic child is better than a dead child any day.
I wish people would pull their heads out of their asses before regurgitating old information, and stop condemning every single shot and medication. Vaccinations are much like seatbelts. They don't save every life, but they save more than they end.
Would you put your baby in a car without a seat belt? Nah, didn't think so.
Now put this bullshit to rest.
I dont know why you think doctors are out to keep people sick. They barely have enough time for the patients they currently have.
I'm in microbiology right now and just read 3 chapters about the immune system and its responses to infections and why vaccines actually are helpful. It gives your body a heads up so that when an infection from a microorganism actually occurs (not the vaccine) the response is a "seondary response" which is much stronger than the primary response that would occur if the vaccination hadn't occurred.
I think the side effects depend on which type of vaccine it is. Some are live microorganisms, some are dead, some are just pieces of them, some are toxins.
The reason some people never get sick without getting a vaccination could be because the majority of other people around them have.
My god. There is NO LINK between vaccines and autism. Your shame and guilt are in plain view and I find myself disgusted with these constant witch hunts to placate anything other than your own genetics. I find your misdirected self-loathing to be petty and insipid.
While I understand the need for vaccines, I think that you are correct to be skeptical of each and every one. The simple question of "will this make me(or whoever is getting the shot) MORE or LESS healthy" doesn't take too much time to ask. The idea of preventative medicine holds some logical issues... does nobody get measles because of the vaccine? What % of people get it with? What % of people would get it without? Is that number (the people who would get it without) > % of people who experience side effects?
Texas required, last year, that all schoolgirls be vaccinated for cervical cancer. Starting at age 11 (entering 6th grade). That one seems to be pretty ludicrous to me.
Most of the agruments against this post are about how doctors are not evil, the vaccines are only under attack by conservatives or the fact that all medical novelties come with risks.
HELLO - The post never mentioned otherwise, and mentioned nothing about politics at all.
Since some of you totally missed it, the point of this blog is that very little research has been done on this vaccine. Also, very little research has been done on the virus and how it suddenly started breaking out and appearing.
The secondary point is that people cannot make informed decisions if they ar not informed, and without research, people can't be informed.
It's stupid to trust anything, vaccines or otherwise, without hardly any information. This is why they do not trust the vaccines.
Hope I added a little clarity.
I refuse vaccines, but then I have an incredible immune system. I never worry.
To those who think businesses are just trying to market vaccines to you, that they don't work and you shouldn't get them because it's just doctors trying to make you sick or some bull crap like that, I bring you Dr. Gregory House:
"You know another really good business? Teeny
tiny baby coffins. You can get them in frog green or fire engine red.
Really. The antibodies in yummy Mommy only protect the kid for six
months, which is why these companies think they can gouge you. They
think that you'll spend whatever they ask to keep your kid alive. Want
to change things? Prove 'em wrong. Few hundred parents like you decide
they'd rather let their kid die than cough up forty bucks for a
vaccination, believe me, prices will drop really fast."
I can't say much about the H1N1 vaccination, but the vaccinations I got as a child have protected me from a slew of horrible diseases. I have a great immune system on my own, and I hope to pass that on to my future kids, but to not vaccinate them?? You're out of your mind.
Looks like she got her pay off for a "Job Well Done" http://www.merck.com/newsroom/news-release-archive/corporate/2009_1221.html?WT.svl=content&WT.pi=content%20Views Could we get any more obvious evidence of a conflict of interest.