Sunday, 22 November 2009
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QOTD: Are Antibiotics linked to Autism?
So I was recently watching the news when they had a story about women whose children had birth defects because they had treated UTI infections with antibiotics while they were pregnant. My nephew is autistic and my sister WAS definitely taking antibiotics while pregnant for UTI's. I also asked a few family friends whose children have been diagnosed with autism...they too were on antibiotics during pregnancy. I was just wondering if any of you mothers of autistic children were taking antibiotics....or know someone that was?
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Wow. Hmmm...doesn't sound like an isolated case to me. Sounds like you have a common recurring theme here. You may be onto something.
Of course, Big Pharma won't like this idea, so it's not going to be researched, but I think you may be onto something. Way to be observant. Let's see what some other mothers have to say.
I did not see the story but heard something about it and asked another mom at my son's school if she took antibiotics while she was pregnant and she said yes. I did too. Very Interesting.
Antibiotics have been commercially available within the US since 1928. If antibiotics were a cause why is it that only recently (about 1992) autism rates have gone up? I suspect antibiotics have nothing to do with autism; but that's not to say that research shouldn't be done --if there is in fact a possible correlation; though I suspect otherwise. If research is done however, I can only hope that antibiotics don't succumb to the same smear campaign vaccines have fallen into by the antivaccination crowd. If researchers test for causation and the results are negative will you continue to suspect that antibiotics are the cause? Unfortunately I know some who will, though I hope many will not.
@Strangebrain@xanga - I hope that the research is done. Hopefully if any is done, it will be by a non-pharmaceutical, non governmental and unbiased.agency. Wow, that's going to be tough to find.
As for the vaccine issue, that's a tough one to address since the number of vaccines have skyrocketed and they keep adding new ones with no end in sight. It would take far too long to address each one individually point by point, adjunct by adjunct, and besides we can't really get a clear picture on something that is a pretty recent phenomenon until years later when we see in hind sight what we've done to a whole generation children. And I'm not just talking about autism.
There are sane and educated people talking about this issue which is a very real and should raise some concerns for parents. Why can't we stop adding vaccines and step back for a moment to address the simpler questions like, why does a newborn baby need a Hep B vaccine (3 doses) when the mother has tested negative for the virus?
People who are at increased risk of being infected with the hepatitis B virus include the following:
.Men or women who have multiple sex partners, especially if they don't use a condom
.Men who have sex with men
.Men or women who have sex with a person infected with HBV
.People with other sexually transmitted diseases
.People who inject drugs with shared needles
.People who receive transfusions of blood or blood products
.People who undergo dialysis for kidney disease
.Institutionalized mentally handicapped people and their attendants and family members
.Health care workers who are stuck with needles or other sharp instruments contaminated with infected blood
.Infants born to infected mothers
I don't know of any newborns engaging in these types of risky behaviors so why??
Maybe people are forming "crowds" simply to be heard. It's harder to talk over a crowd than it is to dismiss a single individual asking for answers.
@P1AutismMom - Well, before research could be done there would have to be some noticeable correlation between the two. These types of studies do not come by cheap and if there does not appear to be any incidences --aside from a few anecdotes---nobody is going to do the research.
As for the vaccine issue... Look, the research is there; and it's there because vaccines are important to the health and well being of so many individuals. If there was something wrong with a vaccine people want to know and are willing to fund that type of research --which they do, and thus far we've found the ones that continue to be produced are both safe and effective.
As far as why we give Hep B vaccines to children, well, according to both the CDC and the Hepatitis B Foundation anyone can get Hep B; the people you listed are just at higher risk.
I'm not sure I asked why people are "forming crowds", in any case it's well within antivaccinationists' rights to do so. That being said, continually asserting that vaccines are a cause for autism, when the evidence shows they are not, not only puts people at risk by creating this antivaccine hysteria but also hinders real research that could be going into finding real causes for autism --in my opinion anyway.
@Strangebrain@xanga - I believe what you said was "I can only hope that antibiotics don't succumb to the same smear campaign vaccines have fallen into by the antivaccination crowd" implying that parents, doctors and anyone who would question pharma funded studies based on true life experience is out to halt any and all vaccines or medication such as antibiotics prescribed to the general public.
Those few words in that phrase are very telling as to which side you stand on the issue. I personally have had my boys vaccinated but not Chicken Pox, Meningococcal, Hep A, Pneumococcal, Rotavirus, or the H1N1. So you see I am not anti-vaccine, I just did what we should be encouraged to do. Look at the risk vs benefit ratio and make an educated decision based on our findings.
By the Way, I won't have my sons' vaccinated with Gardasil when it is approved and marketed for boys. Two Giants Vie for Billions In S.T.D. Vaccine Market http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9403E5DD1630F933A2575AC0A96F9C8B63 No, it's never about the $$$$, only about the public good and the safety and health of our children.
@P1AutismMom - Not to come off as pugnacious but I suggest you ask what I'm implying before stating what it is you think I meant. I never said that anyone who questions vaccines is out to halt their progress, so whether intentional or not that's a bit of a strawman. Asking questions is a good thing and I would never want that to cease. But continually claiming, for example, that vaccines cause autism is not asking a question; it is a statement, one that has been falsified by a great deal of evidence -- To clarify I'm speaking of people within the antivaccine movement and no one person in particular.
Yes I am pro-vaccine (they save lives) and have not made any illusion that I'm otherwise, so I don't feel it pertinent for you to point out "which side [I] stand on". Nor did I make any claim that you yourself were antivaccine --please, again, don't put words in my mouth. Yes, you should look at the risk vs. benefit when it comes to vaccinating your children, but you should also do so objectively which is often hard to do when your own children are involved.
As far as what you should do with your own children it's not my place say; ultimately it's your decision and whatever it is I hope for nothing but the best for you and yours.
Lastly, again I never claimed that pharmaceutical companies were not motivated by financial gain --quite the opposite I suspect. But you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, they seek financial gain, but they also employ some of the greatest researchers money can buy in an effort to make a product that is not only financially successful but passes the rigors of government regulations --and I'm not just talking about US regulations, other countries as well seeing as they are distributed world wide.
Hello
I had not any idea about this information of autism.Well I don't know any autistic child nut I think people should know this information and women should take precautions about it.I like that you share this information with us.
Here is one of the many articles you will find if searching is done and this is from one of the mainstream outlets which largely sweep these finding under the rug our mention it in a side not and only on rare occassion. We really need to be skeptical of those who are trying to sell us something for profit using our health and in the case of H1N1 using fear as the ultimate weaponry. It's just common sense. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/25/cbsnews_investigates/main4296175.shtml
@Strangebrain@xanga - The implications were there otherwise it would not have been necessary to use the words "smear campaign" in your first comment on this article based soley on a hypothesis that antibiotics given to pregnant women could be a suspect in autism. You took a defensive posture right off the bat.
Most antibiotics appear safe during pregnancy, study finds See how they use the words "Most" and "Appear". Something wrong when you can't say definitively that they Are Safe when you are asking a woman to take medication during the development of her unborn child.
Antibiotic Use During Pregnancy And Birth Defects: Study Examines Associations http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091102171417.htm
Women who want to be informed should look into Antibiotics and Pregnancy. It's not hard to find articles on the subject.
@P1AutismMom - Perhaps I've been unclear, so I'll try to clarify. People who are just asking questions, really asking questions, are doing just that, and as I said before that's a good thing, we should never stop asking questions. But there is a point for some people when they stop asking questions and are simply making statements. When evidence to the contrary is given they continue to make the same statements, those are the ones on a smear campaign.
From the first link: I didn't know the L.A. Times was a reputable medical journal [tic]. Regardless, "They point out that participants might not have recalled exactly when they took the drugs or even the correct name of those drugs. Further, the authors wrote: 'Another limitation is that it is not possible to determine whether the birth defect is associated with the antibacterials used or the underlying infection'." As a relevant aside, the medical language rarely allows for anything to be definitively said.
From the second link: Yes there are some antibiotics that are unsafe for pregnant women and doctors (good doctors) don't prescribe them.
Women should be informed when it comes to antibiotics and pregnancy. My advice, talk to a doctor!
GlaxoSmithKline Recalls H1N1 Vaccine in Canada Over 'Life-Threatening' Allergy Risk