Wednesday, 18 November 2009

  • Disclipine: "I'm Just Sayin"

    To quote my beautiful Aspergian daughter, Chrissy,“I’m just sayin.”

    Scott and I found ourselves in a comment “shoot out” on Facebook over the past few days. While neither one of our blood pressures ever was raised above the current norm, Scott and I did have some interesting conversations relating to punishment, discipline and the world at large. The conversation between Scott and I has centered around our concern that too many excuses are made for poor behavior by ANY child, not just the disabled child. Now, I’m not too hardcore on punishments and discipline. If you know me personally then you know that I am at times a big softy. But, I do feel that it is a parent’s job to help their child weave their way through the world. A world that is always and forever full of prejudices, ignorance, and social biases. I was saddened by one parents comment that he, “think it rarely a good idea to punish a child with Asperger syndrome for disrupting a class. AS (Asperger’s) kids rarely do something out of rebelliousness or with the intent to be disruptive.If an AS kid is being disruptive there is almost always an issue that is simply driving his stress levels beyond his capacity for endurance.”  


    Umm, hmm, I think this parent has forgotten that part of the human experience is having your stress levels driven beyond your capacity for endurance. Parenting three teenagers I can say my stress levels have been driven far beyond my capacity for endurance, or a sense of humor. 

    Alright, I’m confused…do I treat your child like I would other, neurotypical children? I’m asking because I’m that kind of Mom that when I see potential disaster at the hands of some innocent young babe says, “hey buddy, please don’t do that” Parents of a disabled child desire and fight for equal rights for their child…right? Equal rights, equal treatment…right? Mainstreaming, integration, the chance for a “normal” life…right? Totally aware that there really is no such think as “normal”, but again, I’m just sayin’. I’m a question asker and I’m really, sincerely, wanting to know.

    I find when parents speak to each other, words like, punishment and discipline get lost in translation and after having looked both words up at Webster’s I can understand why. Both of these words can be as innocent or as harsh as you’d like for them to be, almost like they too have a spectrum of severity.

    Punishment and discipline, when being utilized as tools to aid in parenting a child, should have a spectrum of severity. The world, as it currently stands, is full of a spectrum of punishments and disciplines. Are you helping your child to navigate the world that is full of these punishments and disciplines? Are you teaching them to self advocate and how to ask for help? Are you making them aware that there are rules that all of us have to follow?

    If you are, those are ways of offering discipline to your child. You’re telling them about something that they might not like, like having to wear a seat belt while riding in the car. That might not be something your child likes to wear, but the law says children should wear a seat belt. So you buckle them into the car. You are disciplining them to wear a seat belt every time they ride in the car. I know, this is apples and oranges and so unfair of me because I used the word “discipline” another way besides the obvious.

    So…back to my activity that is keeping me from sleep…I google searched ADD/ADHD and found the following fascinating. The definition for ADD/ADHD is very, very similar to some I have read for Asperger’s Syndrome. Before you say it, I am smart enough to know that there is a HUGE difference between the struggles of someone with ASD and ADD/ADHD. I’m also aware of the comorbids that can accompany Asperger’s. I’m hoping though that this will cause some among us to take pause and consider the possible problems with NOT wanting to discipline a child with Asperger’s. And as Chrissy would say, “I’m just sayin’…”

    The following was found at http://helpguide.org/mental/adhd_add_adult_strategies.htm :

    People with ADD / ADHD often misinterpret the verbal and nonverbal social cues that most people take for granted. They might interrupt conversations, often with irrelevant comments or questions. They let their attention wander, making it look as if they don’t consider what others are saying as important. Or they may talk on and on, not noticing that others are becoming bored or exasperated. As a result, people with ADD / ADHD are sometimes seen as rude, insensitive, and socially inept—qualities that take their toll on friendships and relationships, not to mention self-esteem. However, you can work on “retraining” your brain to better understand other people are communicating with their words, facial expressions, and body language.

    Since it’s my job as a Nurse to educate, here are some of the suggested disciplines to try for a person with ADD/ADHD.

    • Be mindful.  Focus on the speaker and on what is being said as the most important information you need to hear right now. If necessary, check with the speaker to make sure you got the information right.
    • Pace your conversation.  Pause after expressing each point in a conversation, and wait for a response before continuing to talk. Engage the listener, then listen carefully to the other person’s response.
    • Practice, practice, practice.  Rehearse skills with a friend or support group, such as focusing on other people’s words and waiting for a response. Choose role models at work and in your personal life and watch how they communicate.
    • Show your strengths. Becoming a good listener doesn’t mean you have to hide your knowledge, cleverness, or sense of humor. The idea is to be the smart, fun person you are without monopolizing the conversation.”




Comments (4)

  • ProudToBeAChristianFruitcake@xanga

    I taught Sunday School for a child with Asbergers for 6 years. I was asked to take over as his Sunday School teacher when he jumped on and bit his former teacher while she was pregnante. He has times where he has lost control, and was thrown out of one school when he stabbed a kid with a pencil through the palm of the kid's hand.


    His next school, convinced him that when he felt himself lose control, he was to get up, and walk right out of the room and head for the playground. After 5-10 minutes a teacher's aide would go out to the playground, ask him what was wrong, and then escort him back to the classroom. Once he started doing this, the number of violent and/or disruptive behavior went down. He stopped jumping on people, and he stopped stabbing people nearly as often.


    I realize that people want their child to be normal, but I personally think that normal is so overrated. For that matter, i don't know a single person that is normal. I teach 8 kids in sunday school ranging between 4th-6th grade. I can tell you the personality of each child.


    "April" is quiet and shy


    "Susan is talkative and the exact oppsite


    "Hope" is extremely helpful and mother like to the younger kids


    That is just three of the eight. Which one is normal? what is normal?


    I treat each child different. While I am telling Susan to let others talk, I am encouraging April to talk, while Hope is taking attendence and making sure all of the kids are there.


    Instea of trying to "normalize" a child, why don't we cater to each child, and get them in a position where they can learn?


    I had a mission partner that was hyperactive when he was a young kid, His parents "gave up" on him and told him that if he wanted to run around the table during dinner time, he could. But after every lap, he had to sit down in his chair and take a bite or spoonful of food before he could run another lap around the table. He did this for about 6 years before things settled down and he was better able to control his energy. he did this in school too, where the private school he went to, let him do X number of problems of math or read X number of paragraphs before he could run around the perimeter of the classroom.


    It worked rather well, he knew what he was allowed to do, and he could do it, because he knew that after a bite of food, he could burn off some energy. it was the reward that he could look forward to.


    So, my thought is tailor your expectations and parenting methods to the needs of each child. A reward or discipline that worked on one, may not work on the next.

  • keystspf@xanga

    We do something like that at home. It is tough to get any of us to clean up stuff... so we have the two minute commercial clean-up break. We turn on our favorite show and during the commercials we run around the living room and pick up as much stuff as we can. When the show comes back on, we all sit down again.


    None of us like sitting in chairs. So, we have a Japanese style table and we sit on the floor when we have our meals... even though we have a "normal" table too. It gets used as a catch all and a clubhouse.


    Home is the one place we can be as "weird" as we want to be. Josh and I both have Aspergers. Don't think either of the girls do, but they've got their own interesting issues. John, my husband, happily goes along with us because it is more fun than what he grew up with.


    Julie gets strait A's. Kailey struggles to get B's... Josh is freakin' brilliant... yet he gets C's. I don't get on him about his grades because I'm not concerned. I know he knows the stuff, school just doesn't get it out of him right. He is in school to learn different things... like the ability to sit still and try to pay attention. He's learning that sometimes he HAS to do things that he doesn't want to do. At home, he has more freedom. He can do mostly what he wants. The limits are that whatever you pull out, you put back... the "rules" are posted on the wall so he has no excuse for not following them. They are very simple:


    If you pull it out, put it back. If you see it out, put it back. No food or drinks in your room. If you spill something, clean it up.


    That's it. The consequences of not doing it are we spend all morning on Saturday cleaning up rather than having fun. That's it.

  • SWAurora@xanga

    My younger brother has always gotten less discipline than my other brothers and I. Personally, as a sibling, I always thought this was a gross unfairness. Mostly because behavior that he knew better than to do, such as throwing things, punching, kicking, shouting curse words, etc. often were shrugged off as "well he is Autistic". Well, he is very high functioning, and in this sister's humble opinion, when a kid smiles after doing something with that wicked, I'm-about-to-get-away-with-something look...you wish you could talk some sense into your parents.


    Every kid is different. Every parent is different. I know this. But to punish one child for fighting or cursing and allow the other to get away with it because of a disability is wrong.
  • switchingtime@xanga

    @ProudToBeAChristianFruitcake@xanga - 

    I very much agree.  Who decides what "normal" is?  The privileged doctor who diagnoses a patient?  I believe that each human is different, thus needing different things.  If one baby is constantly fussing for attention, while another baby is calm and relaxed, does this mean that both babies need the same amount of attention?  No.  Each child has their own story.  The tricky thing with punishment is that if a child does wrong, receives punishment AKA "attention," what do you suspect the likelihood for that child to repeat the action?  Children should not be given attention only when they do something remarkable and/or bad, it should be all the time.  Attention to children is similar to oxygen to humans.  Love the child for who they, personally, are.

    In the case of your child, I believe talking and trying to understand where your child is coming from is essential.  Let them know that they're allowed to have feelings - even if they're bad.  It's okay to have feelings and to talk about them.  It's not okay, though, to act out ones that are harmful to others.

    Best of luck <3

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